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Speedswing New Hire Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 52	Topic: Interpretation Posted: 07 Jan 2007 at 10:40am
	Who is the moderator of rule interpretation with in the company?
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Railrunner New Hire Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28	Posted: 07 Jan 2007 at 5:04pm
	Which company? Many of the rules are interpreted by a number of people and each one reads the rules different (usually to benefit the person who is doing the interpretation). Think about when you have read a rule and thought one thing, only to have a supervisor or foreman tell you it means something else. Then, you get a new supervisor a few months later and he tells you the same rule really means something else.
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Speedswing New Hire Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 52	Posted: 09 Jan 2007 at 12:45am
	Which company? The Union Pacific Rail Road Company. Railrunner, I think you are very wise. The interpration of rules can be argued all day, fact is it's usually the person with the most "rank" that get's their way with rule interpritation. An example would be a foreman is argueing with a labor over a meal period . The foreman usually wins. Even if the labor takes the issue to the roadmaster or MTM, the MTM will I have found take the side of the foreman. Most of the time a forman is either to scared or a "company man" and won't intrepret the rule's in favor of a laboror. Very sad but true. The problem can be taken to the Union but they have never done much for me in this department. I can't count the times I not only went without a meal, but didn't get paid for it either.
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Railrunner New Hire Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28	Posted: 12 Jan 2007 at 1:21pm
	You are exactly right. The problem is that the situations you mention are relatively minor in the big scheme of things when it comes to the rules. It really gets messy when there is someone’s job at stake or there is some sort of investigation.
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jott New Hire Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 27 Mar 2007 at 1:54pm
	*Originally posted by Railrunner* Many of the rules are interpreted by a number of people and each one reads the rules different (usually to benefit the person who is doing the interpretation). No kidding. If you have ever been to or read the trascript from a railroad investigation, this will be very clear. When some of us started, we could put our rulebooks in our back pockets and carry them around. Try doing that now!
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CTA New Hire Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13	Posted: 21 Jun 2007 at 1:18pm
	I know here at CSX, there is a rules committee. We have a road foreman that knows all the damn rules. Even though he knows them by heart basically, he will pull out the book and read it. He will either give a clear answer or call the rules committee if he can't give a 100% answer. A lot of people don't like him and feel intimidated by him. I'm far from a Kiss up but I know enough not to poop on the front steps of the office because I may step in it when I knock on the door. I understand how you used to be able to keep the rule book in your pocket, not it's many books and you have to keep all 50 lbs. with you because if you have a question they can look at your books. They don't normally carry them while they are hiding in the bushes.
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Yardguy New Hire Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18	Posted: 23 Aug 2007 at 8:34am
	Fact of the matter is, you cant make it through one day without breaking some rule somewhere. If they want to get you on a rule violation, they will find one, even if the company told you to do it and knew it was wrong when they did. Look at the guys out there getting hurt and then the next thing you know, they are fired for violating some rule.
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SLOCONDR New Hire Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1	Posted: 24 Aug 2007 at 6:54pm
	*Originally posted by Speedswing* Which company? The Union Pacific Rail Road Company. Railrunner, I think you are very wise. The interpration of rules can be argued all day, fact is it's usually the person with the most "rank" that get's their way with rule interpritation. An example would be a foreman is argueing with a labor over a meal period . The foreman usually wins. Even if the labor takes the issue to the roadmaster or MTM, the MTM will I have found take the side of the foreman. Most of the time a forman is either to scared or a "company man" and won't intrepret the rule's in favor of a laboror. Very sad but true. The problem can be taken to the Union but they have never done much for me in this department. I can't count the times I not only went without a meal, but didn't get paid for it either. In the example shown above, not getting to eat nor getting paid for it is not a rule violation, but an agreement provision. The example stated above would be a claim through the MofW union. Rules contained in the GCOR are interpreted by the comany's rules dept., in this case the U.P. Agreements on the other hand, are interpreted either by the General Chairman and/or the company's labor relations dept. SLOCONDR
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jott New Hire Joined: 20 Jan 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36	Posted: 05 Sep 2007 at 5:00pm
	Good point SLOCONDR...
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